In this report: Unofficial pointers from a prosecutor in Redneckistan (which I think some people still refer to as ‘Queensland’).
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This report is inspired by the following unsolicited advice from a Queensland police prosecutor. (Name withheld to protect identity.)
“I prosecute Traffic offences in Queensland. The roadside conversations can help people if they’re dealing with your general duties police, not likely if you are dealing with our road policing guys.
“Queensland has the Penalties and Sentences Act, section 9 speaks about the sentencing guidelines and section 18, No conviction with no further punishment. No matter what the fine is, there is also the offender levy. The demerit points always flow no matter what the penalty, unless you receive the wonderful words of Not Guilty.
“The traffic penalties for traffic tickets in Queensland are set by Queensland Transport. We also have case law where the District Court makes reference to the amount of fine ordered by the court should be higher than the ticket amount to discourage people from contesting a ticket to get a discount.
“Hypothetically, if the ticket amount is $400, you contest it, go to court and decide to plead guilty, you wear the fine plus the offender levy. I say fine because once the ticket becomes a charge, you are open to the maximum penalty which for some offences is 20 penalty units or about $2800.
“One other thing, the prosecutor’s office is somewhat independent of the police who issue tickets. We factor in a range of considerations when deciding if we will continue with an infringement. An example of this, we have a road in Brisbane where there is a Bus jump zone. The lane is a left turn only lane, except for buses which can drive straight ahead, other vehicles must turn left. We recently had a case where a guy got a ticket for disobeying the left turn only sign. AT the time of the offence, every single lane on that road was bumper to bumper so no real gain to be in that lane, so in this instance we discontinued the proceeding.
“Hope this makes sense.”
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I will say this. I live on the NSW Mid Coast and there are more HWP up here than General Duties Police. They specialise in pulling over teenage representatives of our earliest inhabitants who are cruising around, four up in the middle of the day, driving clapped out VN Commodes with the CenterLink Option Pack…looking for something to nick. Its a spectator sport. You see them sitting by the roadside in the vehicle with the HWP car parked behind them, lights flashing, with the officer scrolling down the drivers rap sheet on the computer terminal, probably trying to decide what of the many available offences he might nail them for this time.
In was pulled over on the Great Western Highway going into Bathurst, many moons ago. The Constable in question allegedly clocked me at over 30 kph over the 100 kph speed limit. As soon as we came to a stop at the side of the road, I got out and walked back to his car and asked him 'What had I done wrong'? He alleged that I was exceeding the speed limit to which I replied. 'It was all over the CB that you were out here and I had picked you up on my (then legal radar detector) miles back. His offsider was snugly asleep in the passenger seat and I commented this is not the place to argue and that we can continue this conversation in Bathurst police station. I got back in my car and drove straight there. When I approached the desk sergeant and gave him a quick brief, also intimating that the offsider could possibly still be under the influence, I was told by him to have a good trip and he would be asking a few serious questions.
Looks like we have lost ghs77! Better scrap that t shirt ASAP John
And in Canadastan, if given a choice between fighting for points or dollars (fine) fight for your points, lest of scammy insurance system decide they need more money from you.
The courts are owned by the banks, the Police a foreign corporation registered in the US. Australia is bankrupt and being administered by the UN through Usufruct. Might explain a few things for you
Can I have a group hug with you John?
never be your own worst witness. verbal diarrhea is a prosecutors gold.
May we politely suggest the following de-escalation-for-remedy?
THE TRUST IS COLLAPSED….in other words, you are no longer granting any more credit.
If the policeman is not lawfully investigating the crime on behalf of the male/female victim and is entering YOUR company jurisdiction without you summonsing them, then would it not be advisable to be politely placing YOUR public-servants/trustees under your notification that you charge $999 per hour for your time spent in their company and also $666 for YOUR performance…. and that any further communicating with you, is with them accepting the terms & conditions of the commercial contract IN THE PRIVATE (the cop and their CHIEF and their POLICE UNION is now with PERSONAL liability…. because Notice-to-Agent-is-Notice-to-Principal…and also through JOINDER…and they also lose their qualified immunity)
This way, you are NOT resisting/refusing to obey/comply with their orders/demands/policy /questions, because you are now willing to perform WITH THE CONDITION that payment is with you immediately, because you have NO CONFIDENCE with them administrating YOUR company trust!
THE PUBLIC TRUST IS COLLAPSED…Why is YOUR company issuing them extra credit? Are YOU not the grantor and the beneficiary of YOUR trust? …making them the trustees, whom are with their fiduciary obligation and duty-of-care to be NOT causing you injury nor damage nor loss nor harm.
Is THEIR job YOUR job? Is THEIR company policy YOUR company policy?
not unless and until they are PAYING for your company time & performance
THE CONSTRUCTIVE TRUST IS COLLAPSED…YOU are no longer performing free-of-charge!
You may be willing to pursue the matter through the small-claims-court and/or through arbitration which is held in-the-private because PUBLIC court is only for the PUBLIC servant.
YOUR TRUST FUND IS NOW WITH RESTORATION….YOU are now making money from every encounter with YOUR trustees because the days of doing something with them for free are over.
PS-Be the BUSINESS man with your trustees…..NOT the victim.
With reference to our previous comment-
May we politely suggest the following de-escalation-for-remedy?
Them-`Have you got id on you?
You-`YES, CERTAINLY (this removes the controversy) it`s just that we charge you $999 in-the-private to do that for you and because we have NO CONFIDENCE with you administrating OUR trust, payment must be with us immediately and any further communicating with us, is with you and your SUPERVISOR accepting the terms and conditions because notice-to-agent-is-notice-to-principal`
(This way, you are NOT resisting nor refusing to obey/comply with their orders/requests/policy)
Be the BUSINESS-man with your trustees/public-servants….NOT the victim, because there is nothing wrong with any system…..is it not our negligence with not using it for OUR benefit?
With reference to our previous comment(2)-
Would it not be best-business-practice to design your own id?
1-a photograph with the words, :with the likeness of the original: written across it
2-postal contact details, with the words :in-the-private: written across it
3-a telephone number, with the words :for emergency use only: written across it
4- -for the confirmation of our date-of-birth is with our mother and we have no knowledge of
our date-of-berth-
The reason they want you to use `official` id is, because when you do, you are identifying yourself as a government employee and forcing you to UNDERstand the inferior authority of your trustees/ public-servants.